Happy Fiscal Cliff Day! I figured this was the one holiday I could successfully celebrate!
"Monster" asks "Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?" Now would be a good time to run for your life if you can...
(Warning: Major spoilers may very likely be present!)
(Credit: Most of the screenshots come from MONSTER Anime Screenshots Gallery // monsutaa)
Happy Fiscal Cliff Day! I figured this was the one holiday I could successfully celebrate!
toongal said: Johan. Apples. XDDDDD
What deep life long lesson did I learn from “Monster”? HE’S TOO DEEP AND EDGY FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND…YOU ONLY WANT HIS APPLES. BUT THE APPLES ARE GOING TO HURT YOU REALLY BAD…INSIDE YOUR HEART AND SOUL…BUT IT’LL TASTE REALLY AWESOME AS IT DESTROYS YOU! ALL YOU CAN DO IS SIT THERE LIKE A CHILD WHO IS ABSENT IN SCHOOL AND PRETEND YOU DON’T EXIST BECAUSE YOU REALLY AREN’T PRESENT ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU’RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH AIR TO BREATHE AND YOUR NAME IS BEING CALLED. YOU’RE IN YOUR UNDERWEAR, AND YOU’RE JUST DONE FOR…YOU THINK YOU BLEW IT. YOU’RE GOING TO DIE AND NOT BE ANYWHERE FOR ANYONE ANYMORE. BUT NOW YOU’RE INEXPLICABLY FLOATING INTO TENMA’S ARMS LIKE A POPPED BALLOON…AND HE SAYS JOHAN LIEBERT MUST STOP POPPING EVERYONE FOR GOOD. HE MUST STOP BEING SO SHARP, POINTY, AND EDGY…END OF WHACKED OUT DRAMATIC DREAM. FRANKENSTORM SANDYJOHAN WILL NOW BE LEAVING YOU ALONE. JOHAN IS TRUCKLOADS OF SANDBAGS AND EVACUATIONS OF EDGY FUN I TELL YOU. Whew…”Monster” that show is full of crazy good times I tell you…good times. I guess I’m going to have to make a post about how we all should make a podcast about our impressions of our own podcast or at least us trying to talk to our past selves. We should totally make one of those nutty meta podcasts—I can see it now!
(BEWARE NEW COMERS: SPOILERS EVERYWHERE!)
Once upon a time, Johan asked if Tenma finally understood what Johan meant when he said that, “All lives are only equal in death?” Tenma’s only response was keeping his gun pointed at Johan. Johan then proceeded to point at his forehead as he beckoned Tenma to shoot…
*Ahem,* earlier, I wrote in a comment on my-bloody-ear that in a way, Tenma would be like the “parent” who would make the finite choice to end Johan’s bloody terror once and for all like a “good parent” should. I said that perhaps if Tenma was unhappy with the decision he had made, he could always take his own life to make amends. Yeah, crazy, right?…
So what if Johan really did think that it was his duty to make Tenma see that if he didn’t like what he had done, he could just wipe all the bad memories by taking a gun to his own head? What if Johan was insinuating that Tenma was an admirable person who was doing the right thing no matter what he did, but if Tenma couldn’t appreciate it, he would undeniably choose death? Or rather maybe he’s insinuating a “good parent” who would shoot or abandon his/her “child” should probably kill themselves anyway…
In general, it seems like Johan believed that it made more sense people would choose death instead of life, since death was the only means of truly undoing or erasing the memory of things they had done at what the individual saw was his/her lowest, treacherous, or most humiliating point—nothing else. I think he pretty much acknowledged something along this line when he said he was trying to make everybody go to the same “place.”
What if he believed he had a chance of getting Tenma to willingly go to this same “place” or same “side,” too? So, Johan kept standing in front of the “beginning” of every potential loophole Tenma could find in order to escape shooting Johan, and Johan kept standing at the “end” of every potential loophole Tenma could find—sort of like that tank man who stood in front of a line of tanks at Tiananmen Square everywhere it went. So, it was Johan’s intention to keep doing so until Tenma finally gave into his desperate plan, right?
However, there’s a possibility that seeing Tenma seriously look like he was going to shoot Johan made him a little troubled/anxious/concerned (AKA the infamous puppy dog look) at what he was making Tenma do. I think you could almost say that Johan all of a sudden for a split second knew that being shot by Tenma would hurt him in the most unimaginable way of all kind of like being shot by a real parent or run over by a real tank. I think for a split second he really wasn’t sure if he wanted or didn’t want to cause this kind of pain to anybody or anything including himself.
Then all of a sudden…WHAM! Wim’s father put an end to the endless cycle of torture and harassment for both of them regardless of whichever individual was most responsible for causing it. Wim’s father saw Johan instantaneously as a horrendous monster because he was pointing a gun at his son and that was that.
I guess, in my opinion, the ending isn’t much of a cop out at all, since Johan’s insistence on Tenma shooting him to prove, “All lives are equal only in death,” turned out to be a more and more forced and unnecessary manipulative tactic to pressure further injustice done to everyone else who knew him to possibly go kill themselves.
I think Nina all of a sudden going out of her way to forgive Johan’s treachery made him openly acknowledge that it was unnecessary to concoct such a tremendous force of pressure all along, but it was too late to turn things around nor did he want to live any longer.
Okay, this turned out to be a much more detailed post than I was expecting to write for Johan. It sure did take me a few hours to get my thoughts to come pouring out, but it was definitely worth it. *Sigh,* now I have to figure out how I’m going to write more introspection of this caliber for the next 5 characters.
How I feel about this character:
Johan is probably the only villain I’ve ever claimed is both my favorite villain and character (Boy oh boy, I have a hard time articulating why.) He is very infamous for being a very mysterious person and exceedingly challenging to understand, but currently it’s my job and Lunge’s job to crack it.
First off, I think in direct contrast with Tenma he is very guarded, deflective, subversive, and secretive like a seal tight ziploc bag. I think if there were an actual monster inside of him, it would be dead or dying because of how suffocating his insides are, which would be the opposite of what you or I would expect, right?
Also, I think that he is very much like a hot lava lamp, so he is kind of like that old thing that is left in the attic in actuality. He thinks everybody should cherish that old hot lava lamp thing left in the attic. Indeed, he’s right! Everybody does like it and many people have it, but nobody really knows why or remembers what they got it for exactly.
I think he feels like he’s not sure whether he should be glad he’s that thing in the attic or not. I bet he even chose to sleep in the attic, the basement, or the closet out of his own free will every time he moved in with a new set of foster parents. I bet they thought he was the most awesom-est non existent child they ever had, and he even tried to pay the expenses for himself like a well mannered non-important guest would.
You’d think these people wouldn’t allow a child to become too overworked, but noooo…he probably doesn’t even have a resume or anything like that. He probably only keeps his list of achievements on a scrap piece of paper, and he scribbles things out in his sloppy handwriting so that people can’t understand what he writes anyway. Sometimes I bet he can’t even understand what he writes, and I suppose this gets awkward.
I bet he can’t even be bothered to try to make his handwriting neater, and he may even like it that way. I think this attitude of his is why he has problems with taking good care of things like his stack of personal information or any loose leaf papers that he tends to just let fly out the window.
If the pieces of paper somehow are able to fly back home, he burns them in punishment, and I am almost 99% certain of this. His irresponsible foster parents are too fat, happy, and lazy to do anything about it.
Ironically, I wouldn’t be surprised if his foster parents got so fat and lazy he sometimes had to execute them in order to ease their suffering. I am certain he could help them exercise more often, but he’s fairly careless himself and he doesn’t want to.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Johan has very fast metabolism, otherwise he’d be pretty darn huge by now; therefore, because he’s one of those lucky guys who almost never gains weight, I can only presume he must have a big ego to go along with his superior physique even though he looks kind of nerdy.
However, I can’t help but note that the tall, thin, and handsome nerdy types tend to have the biggest egos, but they may be very unstable or insecure to go along with the over the top big ego.
Also, I can’t help but feel like Johan is tentatively modern, edgy, funny, and cool because he would likely appreciate all the cynicism, snark, and sarcasm people like me and other fans use on the internet to describe him.
Last but not least, I have no idea whether to say Johan is pretentious or not. Yes, no, maybe, I don’t know…all I can say is that he’s an exceedingly interesting if not frustrating person to think, write, or talk about, though. I know that Eva hates his ass more than anybody else, and I don’t know who to feel more afraid for Johan or Eva.
All the people I ship romantically with this character:
I don’t really think anybody should be shipped with Johan romantically, except for Suk in a light hearted way. The library woman would have been a very interesting match for him, but for her own sanity, I’m going to say, “Thanks but no thanks.”
My non-romantic OTP for this character:
I think that anybody who is awesome enough to stand in Johan’s presence without flinching or cringing too much would make a good non-romantic OTP. So, I guess that eliminates almost everybody…
My unpopular opinion about this character:
I think there are so many things I could gripe about with the way Johan is portrayed in the fandom that just bugs me, such as BDSM, incest, nude fan art, hentai, moefied fan art, etc. Cross dressing fan art is okay, but it’s certainly over used a little.
One thing I wish would happen/had happened with this character in canon:
I wanted Johan to talk more in the show, and I don’t really care if this makes him less mythical either. It’d be really nice if he’d just sit back and talk to us about stuff…any stuff either alone, with Tenma, his sister, or anybody.
Mit Nina und Johan! Nina can be quite silly when she has some wine. It’s cute.
DANKE DANKE DANKE DANKE DANKE DANKE DANKE!!!! (each typed and not copy/pasted)
Oh wow! It’s the “drunk with enthusiasm” picnic we’re all going to have this weekend! Except, wouldn’t it be hilarious if you drew both me and toongal next to you guys as well? Wait, no, toongal could simply go to the picnic as Dr. Reichwein, maybe? So, are we going to be edgy, cool, and experimental and hold the picnic LIVE on tinychat?
johanrapper-deactivated20130224 said: Did you know Christopher or Johan first?
I first saw Christopher Walken on T.V. in “A View to A Kill” when I was a child, and I didn’t even know who he was. He was playing one of the first villains to scare the crap out of me, though—I did remember that much. Of course, I discovered Johan maybe two years ago or less. Even though Chris Walken is a very big name, he was someone I forgot even existed until I finally made the connection between Johan Liebert and Max Zorin with the help of TVTropes. After I discovered that connection, I grew more interested in learning what made Christopher so unique, popular, and well known, despite being nothing like what feels to be at least 95% of Hollywood actors and actresses whom are regularly idolized and worshipped. Now if I could, I would get all of the Saturday Night Live sketches featuring Walken in it, since in my opinion, all of the ones I’ve seen so far are very funny. Now I am a big fan of both Christopher and Johan respectively in their own right, even though they both have similar sleepy eyes, sad smile, monotone voice, androgynous look, gallows humor, and are subtly gothic.